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change and remain the same VersagiVoice will occasionally withhold the name of a reader for cause, but we do not publish "Anonymous" comments which have been received without the sender's identification. NOTE; For some of the earlier reader reactions, the accompanying links may no longer be active. Previous Comments Landlords and Renters reacted to last week's brief mention that CITCOM has directed Staff to design a census-type inventory of rental housing in Royal Oak. Owners and prospective purchasers of rental housing share the same concerns, as summarized below.
Frank,
Reply:
About the city's enforcement, one hears: Then there's this. Reader reaction was subdued this week. A quiet but dominant focus of concern can be expressed as, "What do we watch for as what you call 'the Jim Rasor Affair' proceeds?" I'll use this space to address that concern. Interest is both strong and widespread because city hall observers already have strong feelings, pro and con, about each of the two main players: ZBA member Jim Rasor, who is being threatened with expulsion from his volunteer-post; and City Attorney Dave Gillam, who has been assigned, in effect, the role of prosecutor in this legal hassle. Identified as supporting actors in the drama are Commissioners Stephen Miller and Carlo Ginotti, and we are sure to hear from others. Unfortunately, what should be a civic issue has become a political one.
What to watch for? In most such civic or political disputes, one can readily separate substance from procedure. In the Jim Rasor Affair, procedure is substance. From the limited information disclosed so far, Gillam will be contending that Rasor violated protocol somewhere in the process of distinguishing between his role as a ZBA director and as an attorney for Bordine Nursery. The back-and-forth of reaching the City's out-of-court settlement with Bordine might have been considered the substance of the debate, but it is unlikely that that legal settlement is significant at this point. Listening to arguments about procedure is second only to listening to budget talk in causing eyes to glaze over. So the problem for those attending or watching the forthcoming public hearing, if a hearing is actually held, will be not to pre-judge each esoteric argument based on one's feelings about the "sides." That's going to be tough, because I suspect many voters, even those who respect all the players, already know who they want to win this battle, and why. -- FJV: 29 Apr 09
§ Anyone who lives in the shadow of Beaumont knows that someday the corner of 13 Mile/Woodward/Coolidge will be "Beaumontland". And it will spread out from there and already has. But the one thing it does bring to the community is JOBS, something not even the Michigan governor can do. -- Laura Harrison
Dear Frank, Yet when they come up for sale they are not able to find a buyer willing to pay a price greater than $600,000.00 and the one with the highest taxes, over $38,000/yr, cannot find a buyer for more than $400,000.00 and they have has yet to be completed. I can only imagine what the city of Royal Oak will charge the eventual owner after the home is finished. My guess is north of $45,000.00/year -- since Royal Oak is Michigan's Manhattan (ha-ha). People that live in 8-10,000 sq ft. mansions on Cass Lake are glad they do not live in Royal Oak. Or is it simply that Royal Oak's assessor is Robbin Hood (robbin' as in a robber). If you bring in a fabulous project or complement to this city they will find a way to chase you out. Just like Black Fin, this is ludicrous, they want to call this company before the LCC because they advertise. Keep in mind they put up with 3 years of bureaucracy before they could open. -- Chris Lee 10 Sep 08 § Frank: I still keep up on Royal Oak affairs -- old habits die hard. Just visited your web site again after several years and I must congratulate you on the series of "Hagelstein conversations." Great reading. It's neat to see so many perspectives all in one place. -- Ken Marten, former City Editor for the Royal Oak Mirror, now a writer for several regional publications, including the Daily Tribune. Ken also has a band which played recently at the Farmer's Market.
04 Aug 2008 § Concerning the "leaked" memo about restructuring the Royal Oak
Police Department . . . It quickly became obvious that different memos were being confused. . . . Two writers wonder whether commissioners missed a memo which was included in their 21 July 2008 packet because they still aren't competent at working with the electronic format. . . . Sides were taken re Administration vs. CITCOM -- some of the reasons being their like or dislike for individual commissioners or members of city Staff. . . . . One respondent complains that he/she? is tired of "whining" by the Police Department. A common thread in these messages is expressed in this extract: Question: What is the procedure for removing a city manager? Reply: The combination of Tom Hoover's applying for the Florida job and the increasing unfriendly jousting at CITCOM meetings has led Hoover's admirers and his critics to ask about the procedure for removing him. The City Charter, Chapter Three Section 19, specifies that the City Commission may terminate the City Manager by a majority vote, after providing the manager with written notice, scheduling a hearing, and the like. Although the language does not mandate a super-majority, it does require "the affirmative vote of at least four" commissioners. This protects against a smaller number, though legally a quorum, accomplishing termination. In Royal Oak, a collective bargaining agreement supersedes the Charter, as explained here by City Attorney Dave Gillam. As far as the City Manager is concerned, any termination would primarily be governed by the Manager's negotiated employment agreement, which would supersede the Charter in the event of any conflict between the two. In Tom's case, his contract (which is a public record) clearly states that he is an at-will employee. A vote of a majority of the City Commission at a public meeting would be required to terminate his employment with the City. (Remember that a public body is prohibited from taking any formal action during a closed session by the Open Meetings Act.) I would expect any action of this nature to be on a published agenda, but the issue could be added to a published agenda by way of an amendment at the start of a meeting. Question: How would the vote go if termination got on the agenda? Reply: Sneaky, sneaky! At the moment, I see three sure votes for termination, two sure votes to keep him, and two swing votes. Question: VersagiVoice has reported that a thriving downtown is kind of self-contained economically and that there's no solid evidence that neighborhoods benefit from the fact that Royal Oak is an entertainment destination. Detroit sure proves that point. Does it follow that neighborhoods won't suffer if downtown loses its attraction and fails? Reply: I don't know. Let me get back to you on that. Question: Why have you been snooping around about the police department restructuring? Reply: Just before the controversy erupted, I had held a coffee conversation about youth-focused groups with High School Liaison Officer Al Carter. I needed to know how to refer to him in my report and whether the report had to be modified in any way. I'll publish Officer Carter's observations next week. § About City of Detroit problems Frank: I don't understand why the Detroit papers, and now you, continue to state that Dave Bing is the only business leader to call for Kwame to resign. Keith Crain, who runs one of the largest Detroit-based businesses, was the first business leader to do so, and he continues to do so frequently in his Crain's Detroit Business column, on the influential boards on which he serves and to his friends in the Detroit business community. Full disclosure: I was a VP of Crain Communications from 1989 to 1996. -- Jeanne Towar § About International Affairs Holy cow Frank. I don't expect to agree with everything you write, but your statement "the United States has rarely sought to create an empire" is just plain wrong. The Mexican War and Spanish American War were blatant imperial land grabs, as was the taking of Hawaii. Today we operate 702 military bases in 40 foreign nations, supported by a global navy. The sun never sets on American soldiers. That's empire. We need to get out of the empire business, it costs much more than it brings in. -- Tom Regan After a bit of follow-up communication, Regan added: Yes, military bases alone do not make an empire; it also takes the CIA, weapons deals, military training, advisers, massive, often illegal meddling in the internal politics of other nations, and frequent wars. I say that from a left-wing perspective, but the empire transcends right-left pigeon-holes. Both liberals and conservatives have been very enthusiastic empire-builders, and both McCain and Obama are eager to continue it. I agree completely with right-wingers like Pat Buchanan on this one--the empire is very bad for the United States, it is bleeding us white. I'd love to see some kind of right-left Anti-Imperial League form again, something that has not really existed since Mark Twain (a staunch anti-imperialist) was alive. § From Joe Drew, my grandson in New York City: Your comment about the end of the American Empire reminded me that I've
not told you I finished Buchanan's book. A bit delayed by the trip to
Germany, but it was an invigorating read. ==== end of 04 Aug entries === About the Downtown vs. Neighborhoods dialogue, The best thing added lately to the look of the downtown are the hanging flower baskets. Context: Last week's VersagiVoice report about the Zoning Board of Appeals consideration of Bordine Nursery's request for a variance criticized, without naming, ZBA members for asking out-of-focus questions. Below, board member Andrew Androff comments on that criticism. I have continued to read your in-depth observations of city meetings and events and I appreciate how you keep the community abreast of news. I got a chance to review your latest article and I wanted to respond to your comments regarding the May 8th ZBA meeting. You are absolutely correct in pointing out that the specific issue at hand was whether a transient merchant permit is permitted in an Industrial Zone. In the history of Royal Oak, no transient merchant has applied or been granted that this variance be waived. So we were really exploring un-chartered waters. The reason that I would have liked to see the property owner is because he has a vested interest in our city. He is the one who has continued to pay the taxes on that parcel of land and he is the one who will be collecting $40,000 in rent from Bordine for the 60-90 day period. He stood to be the direct beneficiary of the ZBA waiving the industrial zone use variance. I wanted to hear his experience with the property and what it would mean to him. I did not want to merely make a decision based on speculation and the dreary headlines we read in business reviews and local newspapers. It is commonly recognized the poor state of commercial and residential real estate and how our local industrial businesses are either evaporating or shifting to international operations. However, as a business owner of a commercial and industrial relocation firm, I still see quite a few industrial companies remain and looking to relocate locally to take advantage of lower lease rates, better location, and more modern facilities. In fact, this week my company is moving an industrial firm from Auburn Hills to Troy. As for the question regarding water consumption, it was a separate issue that I inquired about to gain insight for a later conversation that I planned to have with Don Johnson regarding how additional water usage by certain businesses and how it will affect projected future water rates for Royal Oak residents. Finally, my 10+ years background in the trucking industry and limited experience on traffic committee provided me insight to safety issues regarding truck routes. Before the meeting, I visited the proposed site on three separate occasions to really study the layout. It would be completely unadvisable for me not to have made a big deal about establishing a designated truck route that would be separate and distanced from the designated parking area for potential customers. Had Bordine representatives not agreed to designate a truck route, I felt there would be a safety issue and I would not have supported a transient merchant to operate in the requested industrial zone. In the end, this was my first meeting as a voting Zoning Board member and I have much to learn. Tonight, I will be attending ADA training and I am working with the city to receive additional training as it becomes available. I look forward to continuing to serve our city, and I will always welcome any of your criticism that could lead to better decision making and more positive results for our Royal Oak residents and businesses. Your idea about the laser pointer was great and I will send a follow-up email to ZBA board members asking for their consideration. In the meantime, it is evident that it is time to dust off the Master Plan and begin re-engineering the plan to be able to better adapt to today's marketplace. -- Andrew Androff: 21 May 2008 A
former ZBA member comments on the same article. Your list of "cities
in financial trouble" is specious. The cities talked about have been on
the edge of collapse for years, or decades. And the "solutions" suggested
apparently come from the same source. It's rather like asking a stockbroker
"should I buy stocks from you?" Of course he's going to sell his "plan" to
do away with life as they knew it. Royal Oak isn't that far down (yet). I suspect there are other, more creative ways to at least smooth out the rough ride we are going to have starting with the 2009-2010 budget. Who knows, citizens might even surprise you by voting for a temporary millage increase rather than have city services dismantled. Probably not, but maybe. We all need to listen to (boring) budget presentations so we will understand what taxes buy, and what lack of funds will cost us in the long run. -- Brendan Wehrung: April 2008 |
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Internet Filters are the hot item these days (Spring 2008)
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Reaction to VersagiVoice's review of the Library Internet flittering dispute began within minutes of updating and continued through gatherings like the South Oakland Business Expo and the Historical Society's Town Hall and the YWCA's Armenian Dinner. Most readers preferred not to be identified should I decide to use their statements. Here's some of what has come in. "No filters!," shouted a woman passing by in a restaurant. The American Library Association and legislators both
"wish to strip away the local
autonomy of the library," and
" . . . filters are in good
company, librarians have never been perfect either," are statements in a
pro-filter position paper submitted by
Safe Libraries.
"Solve the problem by getting rid of the computers," came from three or four readers, with one suggesting that the filtered and separate computers for children be retained. "And, the commissioners are irritated because the Library displayed no interest in validating parking tickets for patrons who use the Farmers Market lot," offered one long-retired city employee who was commenting about institutional animosity between the City and the Library, adding, "They've become so petty that they are blocking the Board's need to fill volunteer vacancies." "Porn in the library isn't a real problem at this time. Should it ever become a real problem, perhaps we should revisit the filtering option, but it certainly isn't needed now," from a frequent library patron. "Although the situation is much better, the biggest problem the library and police have is handling the homeless, not the Internet."
"I chatted with my Librarian friend today--who knows firsthand how
dicey this whole topic is. She said the filters are so "club fisted"
at her library that legitimate sites are blocked again and again.
Only one person in the county can override the system--and that one
person is often unresponsive.
"Last week a woman doing genealogy research-attempted to reach an
obituary site and was blocked. She has petitioned for access but has
had no response.
"My librarian tells me that the filter law was written to protect
children from unwittingly being exposed to pornography at libraries.
She argues that if parents would just supervise their kids-such a
law would be unnecessary."
Much ado about very little Does anyone other than the Taliban faction on CITCOM think Royal Oak's Library should put Internet filters on adult computers? -- FJV About Library control Today, it is the Library Board that CITCOM seems to be holding hostage. Apparently, CITCOM will not approve appointments to fill Library Board vacancies until or unless the Library installs Internet filters on its adult computers. That is the only reasonable conclusion after sitting through discussion about filters held during the library's recent board meeting, to which Mayor Jim Ellison carried CITCOM's message to the board. One board member concluded, in essence, "So, if after a review we decide to keep our current policies, we'll still be butting heads." Ellison also hinted that at least some commissioners object to one or more of the proposed appointees. That makes it impossible not to infer that those commissioners are unwilling to appoint anyone who they judge might stand up to CITCOM. Well the Repubs and the Dems in the U.S. Senate occasionally hold up appointments for less-than-straightforward reasons, so why not? In all this, the focus on filters disappears. There is no surge of citizen pressure for filters. . . . All but one of the speakers during Public Comment at the board meeting oppose filters. . . . Ellison acknowledged that a majority of the perhaps-10 emails he received from residents oppose filters. So, CITCOM is representing . . . ? -- 02 Apr 08 |
The more I think about this library filter topic, the angrier I get! When do they acknowledge that they are dealing with adults who should be capable of conducting themselves as adults whether at the library or out on the street? The Morality Police seem to be alive and well in Royal Oak these days. This talk about the schools paying for drug testing of kids (while using my tax dollars that they were so desperate for a couple of years ago) and the idea from the Community Coalition that we should go out and "pretty up" all of the local bars, etc. drives me slightly crazy!! CITCOM needs to stop overreacting to this topic. Rather than approach it in an emotional way, they need to use logic, rational thought and some common sense. Now that I think of it, that would be good advice for them on a regular basis. -- Karen Crawford Thank you for your work to illuminate the filtering issues surrounding Royal Oak Public Library. Thee is a library web page devoted to the issue: www.ropl.org/filter/ -- Metta Lansdale Librarian
Metta Lansdale was scheduled to be our guest speaker,
but Friday night, after hearing from city
commissioners, she decided it was in the best interest of
the library if she not attend the meeting and speak.
So we did not hear from Ms. Lansdale. I think Ms. Lansdale
made the right decision. |