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Three members of the City Commission sit on the LCC, as does the City Manager and the City Attorney. Because the LCC's recommendations must be approved by CITCOM, city hall observers can learn all they need to know by monitoring CITCOM meetings, unless a specific interest requires their presence at the LCC gathering. As at CITCOM, the public can participate either during Public Comment or during a Public Hearing concerned with a specific agenda item.
July 2010
From Memphis Smoke to
Cantina Diablo
Liquor Control Committee approves license transfer
The petitioner taking over Memphis Smoke, at
Eleven Mile and Main, can't have any music -- not
even piped-in background music -- for the almost 200 diners
on his roof. That was one of the prices paid to obtain approval of the transfer of Swine Dining's liquor license.
It was a long and dreary meeting for observers as well as for the petitioner who will be employing about 100 workers. Anti-business residents speaking during the Public Hearing and the three LCC commissioners acting like a combination of the Zoning Board, the Plan Commission, and the Police Department turned what should have been a 30-minute task into a 2-plus hour ordeal. The questions asked by the commissioners and the residents touched on such diverse topics as "too many" Mexican restaurants, the "noise" of conversation and clinking glasses from rooftop diners, the color of an interior glass partition, the design and cost of the proposed rooftop sound attenuation installation, the confusion caused by apparently last-minute changes in Diablo's Plan of Operation, and the fate of current Memphis Smoke employees.
LCC's recommendation goes to CITCOM, where it is likely that objecting residents will continue to make their case.
On the plus-side, Chairman Terry Drinkwine encourages back-and-forth dialogue between residents and the three LCC commissioners. Transparency and Democracy on display -- especially since a Public Hearing was not legally required in this case.
Police Chief Chris Jahnke again used his diminishing staff as one of the reasons for recommending the license transfer be denied. Since it seems certain that the department will suffer more cutbacks, have we reached the point where it is meaningless to hold LCC meetings? Do we have here a valid reason to enact a moratorium banning consideration of any and all requests for a license?
June 2010
Liquor Control
Committee approves, punts, and seeks increased transparency
The LCC will recommend to CITCOM, that --
whether or not a Public Hearing is scheduled -- the committee or the city
manager can agree to televise meetings.
At this June 2010 meeting, LCC unanimously approved a change in its plan of operation for Mt. Chalet II, at 32955 Woodward.
Although only a transfer of liquor license was involved, the evening wasn't as smooth for Cantina Diablo's bid to expand its operation in the Memphis Smoke premises. After long discussion, the decision was made to schedule a Public Hearing on July 14. Especially at issue is the request for a rooftop "sound proof" band shell which will remain open till 2 a.m.
See City Hall observer Brendan Wehrung's extended LCC report.
June 2010
Submitted by Brendan Wehrung
Liquor Control Committee
June 2010 meeting
Here's your report by a humble but opinionated observer.
You'll have to edit it as I refer to the noise ordinance before enactment,
and you won't post until after it has been voted on.
The LCC meeting last Thursday, delayed so that a proposed
transfer of the Memphis Smoke license could be included, was both lengthy
and intense. The first item was Mt. Chalet, and approval for a 24-seat patio
addition glided though as though greased with pig fat. Not so the demise of
Memphis Smoke.
Its been around for over a decade, and way back when added roof
service. Cantina Diablo, an offshoot of Diablo in Ferndale and owned by the
Rosy O'Grady's people, claims to be an "authentic" Mexican restaurant but
presented a Tex-Mex menu. Most Americans probably would call that a
distinction without a difference, but the nice people at Margarita's Mexican
Restaurant on Woodward might object.
Diablo would be a bit different from Memphis Smoke, while giving downtown
more of everything it offers. The main floor would increase by 84 seats,
including 9 more at a really big bar. Live acts would be replaced by a DJ
but they'd move tables to keep the dance floor. They'd like a sidewalk cafe
as well.
Roof seating would double in floor space and 56 seats, 22 more at a really
big bar, moved to the front. Memphis smoke was granted permission to expand
last year, but never took the opportunity. The extra space would come from
tearing out a stage, but would include a 10' x 20' dance floor and a
cement-block band shell. This last is important because they are well aware
that a band or DJ upstairs will be heard all over the area. Therefore the
band shell was described as "sound proof.". An offer was made of an
employee using a $3,000 decibel meter once every couple of hours to check
compliance new sound level ordinance requirements, but Diablo avoided making
any commitment to cancel rooftop music if it got too loud, just to tone it
down for the night when they received complaints. The city already has
dance agreements in place that, should patrons be allowed to get too
frenzied, the dance permit will be revoked (at the discretion of the
police).
The city has Second Reading approval that includes noise standards on the
agenda for Monday night, briefly
| Use of Property
Receiving the Sound Residential or Institutional Commercial, Office or Industrial |
7:00 a.m. - 9:00 p.m. 80 90 |
9:00 p.m. – 7:00 a.m. 60 75 |
for reference, 90 db is a train whistle a block
away, see
http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/loudness.html
Police are against the transfer because of lack of personnel to handle the
size of the crowd if it gets out of hand.
None of this long and intense discussion (the meeting lasted 2 1/2 hours)
was held before TV cameras. By the will of the Commission, only LCC
meetings including public hearings are televised. Despite having condo
dwellers across the street, down the road, and residents on Center St.
somebody decided no hearing was necessary, Indeed, the matter could not
have been on the agenda as a hearing, because of time needed to notify all
surrounding parties.
And a personal gripe: material concerning Cantina Diablo (other than the
statement that a license transfer would be on the agenda) was not posted on
the city web site until Monday. This is becoming endemic, last-minute
postings of public business to be taken up. As I write this (Saturday
night) the agenda for Monday's Commission meeting has just appeared, not
having been available at close of business (noon) on Friday. LCC members
(Poulton, Drinkwine, Semchena) agreed that the public might have an opinion
on what was presented, and voted to postpone consideration until a public
hearing could be held at their July meeting, July 14. That should be
televised.
Considering how loud a maximum noise level the revised ordinance is going to
allow, I'd opt for a public hearing on that, too. Paperwork is at
http://ci.royal-oak.mi.us/portal/sites/default/files/meetings/City%20Commission/2010/0621-18a.pdf
Brendan Wehrung
April 2010:
3 Commissioners, 2 agenda items, 3 hours
The 28 April 2010 Liquor Control Committee meeting lasted longer than three
hours -- to address two liquor license requests. In both, no vote was taken and
the petitioners have to come back with more information or with a modified plan
of operation.
During the two hours devoted to the proposed replacement of the failed billiards place on Fifth, Commissioner Poulton asked 31 questions; Commissioner Semchena asked 12; Commissioner Drinkwine, 6 -- 49 questions total. Chairman Terry, who usually runs a tight but friendly meeting, was in a preachy mood and interacted at length with the petitioners and their representatives. I had to leave not long after discussion began about the second request, to create a banquet facility on the third floor at 1023 S. Main, so I have no question-count for it.
One reason that the meeting ran long is that, as so often happens at the Zoning Board of Appeals, the LCC seemed to want to address issues about which it has neither responsibility nor authority. An observer sampling the session at random would be justified thinking she was viewing a meeting of the Parking Committee or the ZBA or the Plan Commission.
And, there continues the puzzling insistence by one member to demand that petitioners must have already gone through Planning and Zoning before applying for a liquor license.
Imagine if the LCC didn't exist and all this had to take place at the commission table.
February 2010
LCC recommends another
Bistro license
Royal Oak's Liquor Control Committee voted unanimously to recommend that
CITCOM approve a bistro license for Mezza Mediterranean Grille, a
restaurant at 212 West Fifth Street.
The panel also voted unanimously to recommend approval of D'Amato's request for two dance floors, in adjacent but separate serving areas. The approval came after Lieutenant Gordon Young reported there have been no problems with the several 1-night dance permits D'Amato's has used.
Pulled from the agenda before the meeting began was a request by Cantina Diablo, 511 South Main, to transfer an escrowed liquor license.
January 2010
LCC recommends license transfer, punts
on request for outdoor service.
Caught up again in "confusion over semantics," in the words of Chairman Terry
Drinkwine, the Liquor Control Committee debated a bit before recommending
that CITCOM grant a liquor license transfer to the owner of Leo's Coney
Island. It was a split vote, with Commissioner David Poulton
voting No. On the separate matter of allowing Rock on Third to use, and
pay for, two parking spaces as part of its proposed outdoor service, the LCC
punted. It moved the matter to CITCOM without recommending either approval or
denial. Here, the problem was the split opinion of the Administration.
Poulton questioned whether two or three of the criteria needed for approving a license transfer are being met. He focused specifically on the proposed menu (It apparently wasn't Greek enough for his taste), and he was concerned more than Drinkwine and Mayor Ellison (sitting in for Semchena) about the Sports Bar speculation, because there will be several television sets in the restaurant. The owner/developer of the new building replacing the old and popular Rumors agreed to change the menu "anyway you want" but stressed that his most popular items -- like lamb chops and shish-kabob selections -- are not "sports bar" offerings. "But it's not 100% Greek," David commented. The owner quickly and firmly answered "no" when asked whether he will close his next door Coney Island after he opens the new restaurant.
The sidewalk outside Rock on Third is too narrow to permit a traditional sidewalk cafe, so the owner's architect has conceived a platform which will include space now occupied by two parking spaces in front of the building. Because the concept is new -- although it apparently has been successful in Birmingham and Ann Arbor -- City Manager Don Johnson says the majority of involved Staff approves a 1-year experiment. Discussion between him and the committee members stressed that under no circumstances will the concept be considered for Main Street or Washington or Fourth. The decision to forward the request to CITCOM without recommendation came after Johnson said that Planning and Engineering (not attending this meeting) were opposed, although Police and Fire are okay with it.
After the Police Report mentioned two serious incidents resulting from apparently drunk customers leaving Black Finn, Drinkwine asked whether there were no such incidents related to other bars or restaurants. Told that there are but they are less serious. Terry requested that the LCC be told of all such incidents, regardless of their severity.
Because laymen tend to get lost among details now and then, City Attorney Dave Gillam was several times requested to provide legal and procedural guidance to help get the discussion back on track. -- 13 Jan 10
December 2009
With 2 temporary members
Liquor Control Committee gets the job done
The LCC meeting lasted half an hour longer than it should have -- because of
thickheaded inattention by a couple of petitioners, not because two newly
elected commissioners were serving one-night-stands as committee members. Pat
Capello and David Poulton were quick studies and participated
effectively as the committee, chaired by Commissioner Terry Drinkwine,
approved one bistro license; postponed another request for a bistro license
after granting the petitioners additional time to develop an appropriate plan of
operation; advised the petitioner requesting to import a Class C liquor license
to do a little homework and return to next month's LCC meeting; approved a
license for the manufacture and wholesale distribution of beer.
The bistro license was granted to What Crepe, 317 Washington. Resident Brendan Wehrung spoke in favor of the request, which will require the restaurant to take over the space of an adjacent retail business, but urged the LCC not be too casual about putting retailers out of business to grant even deserving restaurants a bistro license.
The beer brewing/wholesaling operation, Millking-It Production, will be located on Delemere, in an Industrial Zone.
The petitioner seeking a Class C license for the former location of Rumor's, LZS, Inc., spoke with enough of an accent to confuse the dialogue, mostly between him and Chairman Drinkwine. Both the petitioner and his attorney repeatedly ignored the LCC's request that they put into writing the changes in their plan of operation and concentrated instead on the beauty and cost of the new building. Especially about hours of operation, the conversation left everyone confused about what had been agreed to.
The second request for a bistro license was from the owners of the historical building on Main Street, just north of Lincoln. Owners propose to establish a restaurant on the floor above the wine-manufacturing operation in the building. No matter how many times that they were told that they need to have a restaurant or at least an operating plan for a restaurant, before, not after they ask for a bistro license I stopped counting at 7), the owners insisted on talking off-focus.
On the LCC agenda, that discussion was listed as about the "Cloverleaf proposed plan," and confusion was increased because the procedural needs of Planning Department and the LCC are not the same.
October 2009
Liquor Control Commission
approves first Bistro License
Cafe Muse will be awarded Royal Oak's first Bistro License, if the
city commission approves.
This 3-hour meeting might have lasted till midnight, to exaggerate just a bit. But due to some appropriate gavel-banging and forceful verbal control by the chairman, Commissioner Terry Drinkwine, we got out of there by 8:30 or so. The chair's control was made necessary by out-of-order shouts from a few in the audience and by speakers ignoring rules of procedure. Five persons spoke during Public Comment. Ten spoke during the Bar Louie Public Hearing. Two spoke during the Cafe Muse Public Hearing.
During Public Comment, civic activist Sandy Wilkins read a press release prepared by fellow-activist Peggy Goodwin which summarizes objections to uncontrolled development, especially alcohol-related development, and stresses their concern that both the letter and the spirit of Royal Oak's Master Plan are being ignored by city officials.
CITCOM must approve the following recommendations, positive or negative, made by the LCC:
Approve Cafe Muse Bistro License: Unanimous.
Deny license transfer for
Bar Louie: (2-1), Lelito voting No.
It develops that the previous approval of a license for the Emagine
theater/bowling alley project forced increased focus on parking and noise.
The arguments pro and con will be summarized at the CITCOM meeting.
Deny Snookers Pool & Pub's request for a change in its Plan of Operation, which would permit the facility to run state-permitted gambling nights for charitable organizations. (2-1), Lelito voting No.
Approve Mr. B's Pub a Dance Permit. (2-1), Semchena voting No.
A request for a Bistro License, by Cloverleaf Acquisitions, L.L.C., at 711 Main Street (Fine Wines), was withdrawn so the owners can work with the Zoning Board of Appeals before returning to the LCC.
September 2009
Royal Oak Officials are tortured
In terms of the human dimension, that is a reasonable headline for
this report out of the
September meeting of the Liquor Control Committee.
For about three hours, the officials -- three city commissioners, the city manager, city attorney, planning director, representatives from Police and Fire -- had to listen to about forty-five 5-minute speeches, most of them opposing two requests for liquor licenses. The protesters' message could have been put on one 7-minute tape, plus a show-of-hands, because they all had the same complaints. My 5 pages of notes show the litany: parking, noise, loitering drunks or kids, traffic.
LCC Chairman, City Commissioner Terry Drinkwine managed the meeting well, using mild humor to defuse tension two or three times. And the audience, mostly there to oppose, were generally respectful as they spoke and reacted with applause or an occasional boo. There were two repetitive and boring litanies during the Public Hearings, one re Bar Louie Restaurant and the other re the proposed Emagine theater/bowling alley development. Some observations:
The Barton Towers bus was dropping people off in front of city hall as I arrived, and Mayor Jim Ellison was engaged in conversation with several of the mostly female senior citizens. (I did not see Ellison in the meeting.)
During the meeting one long-time activist pledged to "rally the troops" whenever necessary to protect neighborhoods.
One 30-ish man looks forward to "not having to go to Birmingham" to see first-run movies. A second 30-ish man sees nothing but problems with the development. Both men described themselves as married with two children.
"What's to keep someone from handing an underage drinker a beer once they're seated in the theater?, asked a spokesman from Woody's, whose amended plan of operation was later on the agenda.
As happens frequently at the Zoning Board of Appeals, the focus was repeatedly lost as residents insisted on talking about issues which are addressed by other departments, such as the ZBA or Planning. LCC's charge is to make recommendations to CITCOM about liquor licenses, not about parking spaces.
Commissioner Chuck Semchena indicated that he will seek to reverse the customary flow of applications, so that Planning must first approve a proposed development before the LCC takes up the request for a license.
That mindset seems to ignore the fact that if not obtaining a liquor license is a "deal-breaker," how can the city in good faith demand that a developer go through the process of acquiring property, generating the architectural plans, and paying city fees before he learns whether he can open his business.
The LCC (Drinkwine, Semchena, and Commissioner Gary Lelito) chose to continue the Bar Louie Public Hearing at its October meeting. They voted to recommend that Emagine Entertainment be granted a license transferred from outside Royal Oak, knowing that CITCOM will explore the perceived problems which must be addressed by other city agencies.
During Public Comment which preceded the Public Hearings for Bar Louis and Emagine, there were complaints about noise from Woody's. Frankly, those complaints were more objectively presented than the litanies briefly described above. One uncomfortable claim, not rebutted, is that the Police Department has in the past said it had measured decibel levels at the restaurant and found them within code, while it now says it owns no decibel meter to measure sound levels. (The department probably borrowed a sound-meter. The alternative is unthinkable.)
The residents suggested keeping the windows closed and using non-amplified music as reasonable accommodations. Interestingly, residents who had previously said, of themselves, that people must expect sounds and smells when they choose to live in downtown condos or inner ring neighborhoods -- these same people joined in the Woody's complaints. "I smell swine dining from three blocks away," said one.
I had to leave and I asked civic activist Brendan Wehrung to let me know how the Woody' agenda item ended up. Brendan offered his impressions of the Woody's spokesman's reaction to all that, because he was there to pursue an amendment to his plan of operation -- which was approved.
"In the end", Brendan writes, "[City Attorney] Mr. Gillam was requested to develop an enforceable noise ordinance, so the issue is not over. Woody's will close its windows/doors to avoid being checked out after each complaint."
Public Comment, Public Hearings.
Expect to see some of these same residents at Monday's CITCOM meeting.
Are we carrying
democracy too far? At least, reduce speaking time to 3 minutes.
Again, the human dimension.
At 9:30, several of the Barton Tower residents,
two or three of them using walkers, were milling around outside and
wondering aloud, "Where's our bus?"
13 May 09
Commissioner Terry Drinkwine chaired a longer-than-usual
meeting of the city's Liquor Control Committee (actually, subcommittee)
which covered a lot of ground: amended plans of operation; transfer, or
not, of liquor licenses; and permits for outdoor service. In addition to
Public Comment, there were four Public Hearings, so several attendees
spoke more than once. Drinkwine and Commissioner Gary Lelito were
joined by Commissioner Chuck Semchena, who sat in for out-of-town
Commissioner Stephen Miller.
Decisions were reached about such matters as a portable bar for an outside cafe (Oxford Inn); expansion of rooftop service over the roof space of other business in the building (Memphis Smoke); outdoor service (Peking House); liquor license transfer ("Q" Detroit Barbecue); and dance permit and liquor license transfer (BlackFinn). Actually, making a decision about the last item was postponed because of a potential legal side-issue, described briefly below. Then, there was more exploration about developing an ordinance to permit Bistro licenses in Royal Oak.
Though politely conducted, the dialogue re BlackFinn's request to open a 2-story aclochol-serving restaurant (with a 245-person dance floor on the upper level) was the most intense. From the commissioners and the attendees came differing positions:
The addition of a 400-person restaurant at the south end of Main will establish another mega bar and overwhelm city services, including police and code enforcement. . . . Semchena labeled the proposed facility "a nightclub, not a restaurant."
400 people means 200 cars. . . . Parking won't be a problem, because a new 200-car structure is being built nearby. . . . Great, so the result will be that our net parking capacity will go backwards.
BlackFinn offers to pay the compensation for an additional police officer. . . . Wonderful, we set a precedent for bribing the city by buying a cop.
BlackFinn contends that the building, the south end of which has been vacant for years, "was erected with the city's original acceptance of the concept in mind." To keep the building, "viable," the concept, "including transfer of an outside license, must be honored." Laymen see another lawsuit against the city.
Lelito was for denying BlackFinn's request outright. Semchena, former city attorney, made it clear that he would vote to deny the request but cited the need to determine the validity the owner's memory re the city's original commitment. With that in mind, LCC decided to postpone the decision and to direct City Attorney Dave Gillam to review the records.
There was dialogue about Bistro licenses, and Lelito asked line-by-line questions about Semchena's discussion draft, which Chuck had placed on the shelf with the agenda and minutes of the night's meeting. As only one example of conflicting downtown interests, bistros could justify moving a restaurant into smaller spaces (1,500-2,000 sq ft). Opposed are those who fear such use of smaller spaces would reduce the likelihood of attracting more retail, because landlords will hold out for the higher rents that come with food service.
Bistro or not, it became clear that ordinances and regulations must distinguish between "occupancy" and "seating." The former includes employees, according to Gillam. The latter distinguishes between customers and staff.
Essentially what remains is for CITCOM itself to examine the several approaches to the concept and decide whether to work out the details of a proposed ordinance or to drop the idea.
11 Feb 09
About Bistro Licenses -
Liquor Control Committee holds first Public Hearing
With no ranting or raving, a dozen speakers addressed the Liquor Control
Committee about a proposed amendment to the city's Liquor Control Ordinance
which would allow "Bistro Licenses" in Royal Oak. Most of the speakers were
downtown business owners or managers, and LCC chairman, Commissioner
Terry Drinkwine expressed surprise that there was only one resident
speaking, even though notice of the public hearing had been sent to
neighborhood associations, the PTA, and substance abuse organizations.
To provide context for the Public Comment, City Attorney Dave Gillam repeated the history of the discussion re Bistro Licenses. Essentially the license is intended to permit restaurants with low seating capacity to serve alcohol, probably beer and wine. State law permits such licenses to be used in cities which have used up their quota of Class C Liquor License and in "redevelopment districts." (Royal Oak is already two or three above quota.) The thought is to permit limited alcohol sales in establishments which will not be permitted to become "mega bars."
The majority of public comment reflected fear of more competition, especially in the current recession economy. One or two speakers countered that more local competition is good, because it will reduce the impact of completion from nearby cities, all of which are seeking to take business away from Royal Oak. A couple of the speakers pointed out that existing restaurant-bars are practically empty two or three nights a week. "Some of us are in a survival mode." And, why do we want to bring in more eateries, when some are shutting down?
The matter of where bistros would be located came up, with some quiet grumbling that most of Royal Oak's liquor licenses are massed in a few downtown blocks. "Don't we have a master plan? Can't some of these new places be located elsewhere in the city.?" Whether bistros downtown would attract more retail-friendly customers was touched upon, with the thought being expressed that it is unrealistic to hope that conventional retail will grow again in downtown Royal Oak.
Drinkwine closed the Public Hearing by reminding everyone that there will likely be more hearings, both at LCC and at CITCOM, as the proposed ordinance amendments are tweaked. All decisions by the committee are forwarded to the commission for approval.
22 May 08
LCC was in the mood to approve
With Commissioner Lelito taking the Chair in the
absence of Commissioner Drinkwine and with Commissioner Semchena
serving as Alternate for Commissioner Miller, the Liquor Control
Committee met for a fast 45 minutes. The City Manager, City Attorney,
Police Chief, and Fire Chief also attend or are represented at LCC
meetings. LCC decisions are forwarded to CITCOM for final approval.
Among the matters discussed or voted on:
An outdoor cafe was approved for Small Plates. Formally, the establishment's change in its Plan of Operation to include an outdoor cafe was approved.
After a Public Hearing, R.B. Vino Inc. was granted a Small Wine Makers License. The business's Plan of Operation will specify the small amounts of wine which can be tasted on-site over a specified period of time. Tasters then have the option of ordering their choice for later delivery. There may be small sampling parties, no more than 24 persons, and parking is deemed not to be a problem.
Building Official Jason Craig's recommended approval of a reconfiguration of the bar at Vinsetta Grill was approved. The reconfiguration was requested to create space for the waitresses to pick kup beverages ordered at the dining tables; there will be no additional seating at the bar.
City Attorney Dave Gillam updated the commission about the several approaches other cities have taken when a city-owned golf course serves alcohol.
Semchena reminded the group of CITCOM's need to repeal its Special Event Permit Process, because of an interpretation of the law out of Lansing. The city only recently had established a process controlling but permitting "Non-traditional business establishments," like hair salons, to occasionally serve free alcohol to customers. The resulting discussion made clear a need to explore how to handle such "private" events as Chamber of Commerce get-togethers and invitation-only parties in alcohol-serving establishments, when the "invitees" are regular customers.
11 Feb 08
Once again, two 2-1 votes -- quietly
Two 2-1 votes-to-deny characterized this
LCC meeting, with Commissioners Drinkwine and Miller voting
in the majority and Lelito voting no. (Drinkwine was elected chairman as the
meeting began.)
The first denied was of a petition to transfer a Farmington Hills license from Farmington Hills to the unoccupied 362-390 N Main location. The developer requested the license to make the property more marketable. The denial was based on the absence of either a business owner or a plan of operation, Someone commented that it is not the role of LCC to encourage "license trafficking."
The second denial was to the request for outdoor service at the the Habana Cafe at 419 S Main. The request had been denied in 2004.There was disagreement over whether the nearby church ever objected. This time, the business owner had a letter from the church declaring it had no objection. Because of the nearby church school, the petitioner agreed not to open the outdoor service until after 4 p.m.
Together, Drinkwine and Miller said: the 4 p.m. start is academic, because there will frequently be after-school activities and children will be in the area. They pointed out that the deal made in 2004 was that the owner gave up the request for outside service in return for being permitted to run multiple Class C operations in the same building. The spokeswoman for the business owner maintained that years have passed and that the original agreement was not intended to prevent a later request forever. Fire Chief Wil White wanted the record to show that his department's review of the site showed that emergency service vehicles would be impeded if the outdoor service is installed.
Lelito maintained that "six tables for two, 12 people" cannot be a serious hazard or inconvenience when the neighborhood church doesn't object.
During LCC deliberations, one hears about the differences or not between Class C licenses and Tavern Licenses, about how and whether a CITCOM must be bound by the decisions of a previous CITCOM, about the need or not for regularly scheduled LCC meetings. Miller praised Hoover for arranging more timely delivery of LCC packets, so the commissioners get time "to digest the material we will be dealing with."
12 Jul 07
Quiet questions, quiet disagreements, two 2-1 votes
Three city commissioners casting two 2-1 votes with one
of the three voting yes both times. Reasoned, if intense,
discussion about liquor licenses, involving multiple city departments.
And the seriousness broken up by occasional humor, as when
Commissioner Mike Andrzejak shouted to me "Fasten your seat belt,"
because he was agreeing with a pro-license initiative proposed by
Commissioner Gary Lelito and disagreeing with the suggestion for a
moratorium by Commissioner Stephen Miller. (I have several times
dubbed Andrzejak as "Puritan" or "Taliban" for his frequent opposition
to granting liquor licenses.)