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Conversation with 4 Skylofts Co-owners

Who are those people, anyway?
"Those people" are condo dwellers. Especially now that Royal Oak is likely to have another 350 condo owners in the next 18-24 months, more attention than previously is paid when representatives of the Skylofts Co-owner association, for example, come before the city commission to comment or complain about this or that.

In July 2004 I wrote: Of Condos & Class. Those Royal Oak "No Condos" signs of several years ago are history. The West of West group and its allies lost that battle. Despite dire warnings about an undesirable impact on property values, traffic problems, and the like, condos are part of the attraction of Royal Oak to many. Nationwide, condos are increasingly considered a desirable component of urban environment – by individuals, families, communities. Not always spoken aloud was, is, an uneasy fear that condos attract undesirable people.

To help bring "those people" into focus, I had a group conversation with four Skylofts co-owners, in one of their units, to get a sense of their demographics and of how they describe the pluses and minuses of condo-living in Downtown Royal Oak. My four interlocutors were:

Judy Ansuini, Training Manager
Cindy Broxton
, Loan Consultant
Thomas December
, Executive
Carol Vondale
, Retired Attorney

Two are married, two are single. Their ages range (not in the order they are listed!) from 49 to 64.

As we took the elevator and walked down the halls to go from Vondale’s to December’s unit, the women talked among themselves and guessed that of the 120 or so Skylofts residents, "half are over 40 and half are younger. Recently, we had our first baby born."

I began my conversation with the four Skylofts co-owners by telling them they have been labeled "chronic bitchers" by some City Hall observers and City Commission attendees. Vondale, especially, has drawn praise and criticism for her repeated challenges to proposed developments in the retail space below the condos and in the historic Fourth & Main Bank Building.

The suspicious suggest that Vondale, who is president of the co-owners association, is positioning herself to run for City Commissioner. Others say the retired attorney, who specialized in employee benefit plans, is simply a new Royal Oak activist who is resented by old-timers. "She is going to be another Ruth Cleaveland or George Gomez," one VersagiVoice reader told me. Cleaveland is a dedicated historic preservationist who has occasionally been suspected of calling residential code violations to the attention of the Building Department. Gomez has served so many civic and charitable causes that his friends hide their wallets when he approaches them.

Where did "those people" come from, and why?
From places like Troy ("nice, but no downtown"), Bloomfield Hills, Birmingham, elsewhere in Royal Oak. Why? Speaking of themselves and for some of their fellow co-owners, my conservationists offered a cluster of reasons: empty nest; becoming bored with a subdivision environment; living in only three rooms of an 8-room house; needing to update an old house, again.

Do Skylofts co-owners feel they are part of Royal Oak? Do they care about the community in which they live?
Consider: The Skylofts association adopted Grant Park for this year’s Spring Cleanup . . . The association participates in meetings of neighborhood associations . . . They ask, "Why are there no speed limit signs on Main Street, south of Eleven Mile to the railroad tracks" . . . They agree with Royal Oak residents who are urging the city to do more to protect pedestrians in crosswalks . . . They have worked with the Historic District Study Committee . . .They ask meaningful questions about the DDA and about distribution of the 37 mils that they, as CBD property owners, pay.

Asked to assign an academic grade to the City’s performance in helping resolve condo-related problems, Tom December offered "C-minus," but the group as a whole expressed appreciation for the efforts of commissioners Ginotti, Hallock, and Capello. "The commissioners listened to co-owner concerns and assisted us by encouraging commercial tenants and the developer to live up to promises made to the Plan Commission." The group also praised city manager Tom Hoover and Building Official Kelly Winters for their help concerning commercial tenant issues.

It is largely the co-owners’ sustained visible efforts to involve city officials in resolving their problems which has led some City Hall observers to label them "chronic bitchers," as mentioned at the opening of this summary.

Tom December, who I thought was joking when he wrote "Eliminate Train Horns" on his wish list (see nearby box), cited a Federal Railroad Administration ruling which potentially mandates and provides specifications for creating "quiet zones" at railroad crossings. When we went to his condo, he called up the appropriate website (www.fra.dot.gov/us/content/1318) and read aloud one paragraph: The rule also provided an opportunity, not available until now, for thousands of localities to mitigate the effects of train horn noise by establishing new "quiet zones." The rule also details actions communities with pre-existing "whistle bans" can take to preserve the quiet they have become accustomed to.

About some of the early developer/city/co-owner-related problems, the consensus among my interlocutors is, "The city had some learning experiences.

Skylofts Co-owners Wish List

Before the group conversation could influence their individual thoughts, I asked the four co-owners to state, in writing, one thing which would make condo-living better: Their replies:

Judy – A roof garden
Cindy – A concierge/doorman (primarily to accept and deliver packages)
Tom
– Eliminate train horns
Carol – More retail merchants

They simply haven’t done a big building before." The Skylofts experiences should make matters easier during the new condo developments, they suggested. About remaining Skylofts issues, "We feel that the developer, the contractor, and our group are working well together toward a resolution."

The city’s political leaders understandably give greater weight to the needs of their tens of thousands of long-time constituents than to 120 newcomers, the co-owners agree. "Gaining acceptance by long-time Royal Oakers will be an uphill battle to change the status quo mindset."

How much do they like condo-living in Royal Oak? How long will they stay?
"We ain’t goin' nowhere," ungrammatically but accurately paraphrases what I heard, as they cited the reasons they like urban living.

"We use downtown a lot – on foot."

"Store owners know us when we walk in. They greet us when we encounter them on the street."

"We see people of all classes, not just people like us as is true of living in many suburban neighborhoods."

"We can walk out of the building and jog through as many people-vibrant blocks as we wish before starting back."

"We hear other languages as we shop, sip, or dine downtown."

The Skylofts community expects, hopes, that one result of the erection of the 300-plus new condos will be to increase downtown population density enough to encourage more shops and stores. "I can’t wait for a real butcher shop."

The increase in condos, the return to urban living, is a national trend. To that point, co-owner December recommended that I buy a copy of "The Rise of the Creative Class," by Richard Florida, for each member of the city commission. Well, I know they’ll read this, so they can buy it for themselves!

What’s life like inside Skylofts?
Apparently it’s a paradox. "The sense of community co-exists with the experience of privacy." (I was reminded of visiting colleagues in Manhattan when – as the co-owners and I were walking down a hall – a 30-ish man came out one door, crossed the hall in front of us and entered another unit, but no greetings were exchanged.)

Except for a fitness center, Skylofts has no common area, but there are special events, annual meetings, committees, so clusters of co-owners come to know each other. Ansuini and Broxton agreed that, as is true of all groups, a minority really gets involved, and the chronic concern is how to expand the pool of participants beyond the dedicated cadre. So, the association leaders are thinking of developing several smaller, special interest communities.

Except that they all live in the same building, I suspect that the demographics and range of interests and attitudes of Skylofts co-owners match those of the hundreds of Royal Oak residents who own homes in Vinsetta Park.

Standing Outside
I deliberately arrived 15 minutes early for my 6:30 conversation at Skylofts, and I stood outside the Fifth Street lobby entrance until the co-owner association's president came down to greet me. During those 15 minutes:

One female jogger entered, after ending her jog by running fast across Main Street.

Seven cars entered the parking structure. Most of the drivers approached slowly, a couple even waiting for sidewalk pedestrians to pass. Two drivers came roaring the short distance from Main Street, did a tire-squealing turn, braked to a jerky stop, and waited for the overhead door to open.

Two cars came slowly out of the parking structure and turned right, onto the 1-way street.

A pretty normal cluster of people.

The Aesthetics of Skylofts
Let me begin by mentioning that in terms of visual aesthetics I am tone-deaf, to mix metaphors. As one example, I would describe the lobby as dull and monotonous, neither colorful nor inviting. Politely suggesting, "We do not feel your description is accurate," the co-owners counter with: "The lobby has a bright yellow accent wall with black and yellow modern furniture that contrasts with the other green walls and earth-tone accent drapery hung near the elevators."

I asked the two condo-owners whose units I visited to edit my descriptions of their units. The results:

Vondale unit
(
Vondale is one of three co-owners who have purchased double units.)
Two sides of the 5th floor are glass, which overlook the city. The floors are rough slate on both levels, except for the bedrooms and office that are carpeted. The walls and furniture are soft green with burnt orange accents. The fireplace surrounds on both levels and the kitchen surfaces are dark green granite. The 5th floor kitchen is oak and stainless steel. The 4th floor bar/kitchen is light cherry wood and stainless steel with a glass tile back splash that extends all the way to the ceiling. The 4th floor has a two tier curved bar with green granite top surfaces and a cherry wood/stainless steel base. Each level has a master bedroom suite with walk-in closet and full bath. The 5th floor has a balcony on Main and the 4th floor has a terrace on Main. The 5th floor has a half bath and laundry closet. The 4th floor has another full bath. The 4th floor also has a flex room that serves as an office. The two levels are connected by an interior steel spiral staircase.

December unit
(
December’s eighth floor unit, is brilliantly attractive.)
Decorated with striking floor coverings of natural cork and artwork from local artists. The original floor plan was substantially modified by removing all but one of the dividing walls to create a large open space of 30’ by 30’ that creates a "great room" of one space living which houses the living room, dining room and kitchen. This large area is surrounded by 9-ft high windows facing south and west. This presents a spectacular panoramic view of the Metro area, including views on the horizon of downtown Detroit to the south, the Southfield Town Center to the west and The Top of Troy to the north. (Tom has motorized translucent blinds which he raised just enough to make it convenient for him and me to see his laptop screen when he wanted to show me something.)

Skylofts' very long hallways are painted a dark gray and are dimly lighted with widely spaced wall fixtures. I understand that this rather Scandinavian feel is considered cozy and pleasant by many, but I found the hallways dull and depressing. One man’s meat . . . Frank Versagi: 22 April 2005

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